Call me an Elf

I just wrestled a semi-automatic troll and won.

I’ve been overworked today, watching sports in the afternoon. I met the monster in the Youtube Chat of the Intel Extreme Masters Katowitze tournament. Even though she wasn’t playing, as soon as I logged into the stream, I saw a comment on the right pronoun when talking about the only trans-gender professional Starcraft 2 player… You know where this is going. Policy recommendations for chat platforms come at the very end.

May I introduce, a level 4 Cave Troll called “Living Flower”

The troll was light blue, cute and named “Living Flower”. This article is a commented and cleaned up protocol of the youtube chat. Unfortunately, I archived it too late, so we jump in after about 5 minutes of pointless attempts to formulate a logical sentence or respond to an argument, shortly after Living Flower brought an argument about “Adam and Eve”. The chat is cleaned up for readability and commented to explain my interpretation of what happened here. Also, for some weired reason the messages from another elve are missing. I believe my friend used deleting the posts as Ninja-Tactic for disguise.

Tim Reutemann​@Shiro Accelerator any idea how to get a whole chatroom to stop? I’m almost 100% it’s a bot actually

Living Flower ​but how can I believe in evolution if I’m religious, @Tim Reutemann?

Tim Reutemann​@Living Flower because yo uare a bot and just spit out random illogical bullshit then? Why did you quote the bible if your not religious?

TXforyou X​nah I find it funny hpow one mention of adam and eve, set all u ‘bots’ off though

JollyCooperation95​im atheist but still js

Relictook​same :)

Tim Reutemann​@TXforyou X I don’t mind religious people at all, just needed to force him into the defense

Tim Reutemann​@TXforyou X sorry if I offendend anyone else, it’s only meant against religious bigotts who use the bible as excuse to hate people

Living Flower​and we see neo-liberalism forcing their point of view on everyone else without any proof

Tim Reutemann​ so it’s neoliberal to respect the privacy of otherpeoples sex lifes. Yea, terrible idea.

Liluend Nightlock​i don’t think its wrong to call the person a “she” if you believe she’s a girl unless that person tells you to stop.. so we can call her a he or she, unless Scarlett feels offended on one of em

Jordan Doerksen​why do you care

Living Flower​it doesn’t changes the fact that he’s a he

RiordCs Rio​Tim reutemann. Lol Just block them . You wont enjoy the game arguing with nutcases

midorihibiki ​Scarlett does not care whoever call her a she or he so why we care

Living Flower​and just disguised as a she

Living Flower​for fetish reasons

Dragon Slayer​ You are as bad as FLower if you keep responding just let it go

TrueEriel​Still the Scarlett talk ?_?

Liluend Nightlock ​yeah… that’s what you want to call scarlett.. but other people don’t want to call her that…

Tim Reutemann​@RiordCs Rio I find her (Yes, Living Flower, I’ll call you a her from now on) a really interesting resreach project.

Dragon Slayer​​You are as bad as FLower if you keep responding just let it go

Tim Reutemann ​I’d give you even that. You can call her he, but don’t force your conversation on us if we call her “she”

Tim Reutemann​@Dragon Slayer nope, we are just trying to find a way of dealing with trolls without letting them win a conversation

Duc Tran​how about ignore him?

Living Flower​that’s not what I want to call him, it’s what he is. a dude in disguise with a weird fetish. nothing more nothing less, @Liluend Nightlock

I reported this last comment to youtube as both “hate speech” and “mobbing” later on.

Tim Reutemann​ YES, but we can’t all agree to ignore at the same time

Tim Reutemann​ Just read that bullshit, it’s hard not to respond.

mafbloggerdanny​ you have no real place to talk about reality if call that he a she

Tim Reutemann​ mmh, I think his real issue is not understanding logic… She states one (true) thing, but then concludes some random other thing from it…

Tim Reutemann​ Like what chromosomes are and how you address someone

Living Flower​@Tim Reutemann , just because you’re neo-liberalism view doesn’t allow to get the fact right it doesn’t mean it’s bullshit

RiordCs Rio​There wont be a winner. This Subject has no sense at all. Scarlett is a girl .thats it . She wants to be a girl . Its her call . I have nothing with it . Im rooting for her as a player. All right?

mafbloggerdanny ​i want to be asian.

profezzorPS3​ he is a man, I refuse to pretend otherwise

Tim Reutemann Still trying to figure out if it’s internet research agency or a bot

Tim Reutemann​ or both

This was the moment I had a realisation - the trolls are strong because they use AI support, and we don’t.

Liluend Nightlock​omg… you’re talking what Scarlett is biologically? I’m done lol.. why did neeb switched to protoss again?

Living Flower​sounds like neo-liberlism forcing others to agree to every weird fetish, @Ex Animus

Tim Reutemann​ actually. Of course, the trolls use Tool-Assisted-Trolling… One human oversees 100 bots.

IAnd they are not just putting out bots, but they also have enough dedicated staff to babysit them.

Tim Reutemann​and this one needs a lot of human attention right now

Tim Reutemann​ BUT most of them aren’t real

midorihibiki​ Just say Scarlett for safe do not using he or she. Okey lol? End of argument please

ohnoez078​ What is actually wrong with y’all? Enjoy the games and stop discussing non sense ffs.

TXforyou X ​nah proff, u either indulge in other peoples fantasies, or u are a bigoted monster…..lol and an authoritarian too apparently

Tim Reutemann​ there was a leak last weak from some German facists. They have 100 you tube accounts each

And a lot of other evidence pointing in the same direction, but I had just heard that story last. http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/trolls-in-germany-right-wing-extremists-stir-internet-hate-a-1166778.html

Duc Tran​lick the three dot on the right of his chat

Duc Tran​block or report..problem solve

mafbloggerdanny​ how ignorant do you have to be when you’re trying to force everyone to call a man a woman just because “he wants to be” and if you don’t go along with it you call them authoritarian?

Okules Youtuber​ NINJA IN PYIJAMAS

mafbloggerdanny​ you’re the one trying to enforce your view on everyone else

Dragon Slayer​​ You are as bad as FLower if you keep responding just let it go. You win by letting the conversation end

TXforyou X​: :sarcasm::

Propherex​can you stop blabling about countless grills? xd

Tim Reutemann​@Dragon Slayer Everybody agrees, but we can’t all agree at the same time… so someone keeps feeding

JollyCooperation95​ exactly dragon

Zerg Zergx​if you look like a woman and feel like it. Who is stopping you to be one? Opinions of keyboard warriors? Get lost

Tim Reutemann ​OK, so, there was this leak from german facists. About how each of them has 100 youtube accounts, and they use bots to fill in until they get a reaction

I’m still trying to grasp what that means. To handle 100 accounts means you need bots to make entries. But one person can oversee those bots and jump in whenever someone responds to them.

Living Flower​@mafbloggerdanny thanks for at least someone having a brain besides me

Ex Animus​[Nachricht gelöscht]

Tim Reutemann ​Ha, I know what I want. A youtube function where you can follow other peoples ignore list

(Can’t help myself to make policy suggestions)

midorihibiki​you might be a bot too. I might be a bot too. AI guys. AI century now

ohnoez078​ and the earth is flat.

mafbloggerdanny ​its not about controlling anyone, if he wants to dress up like a chick nobody is stopping him but its really silly to attack anyone for recognizing a cold hard fact. he is not a female.

Tim Reutemann​not yet, you can turing test them

Living Flower ​plot twist: I’ve still haven’t transgendered to being a robot

Now the troll is acknowledging he is currently a person and will switch back to a bot soon.

mafbloggerdanny​i literally have nothing against Scarelett, he is a great player and i love watching his games.

JollyCooperation95​bots trolling each other, shitposting the chat haha

Tim Reutemann​@mafbloggerdanny you have no idea what “is female” means.

Living Flower​@mafbloggerdanny same here

Tim Reutemann​@JollyCooperation95 Yes! AI vs AI is the future of e-sports

Trying to switch the conversation to an intersting topic, note how the troll is silent from here on. Unfortunately the most actives responders messages where deleted from the chat when I copied it. He was an elf, too, but somehow disappeared:

Ex Animus​[Nachricht gelöscht]

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Tim Reutemann​@Ex Animus has there been a game yet?

Ex Animus​[Nachricht gelöscht]

Propherex​my AI is female pls respect that

JollyCooperation95​ haha, i mean ai can already beat us at chess and GO

midorihibiki​ AI already defeated DOTA 2 champion and chess too

Tim Reutemann​@Ex Animus they also work on “Human Assisted Play” where the AI only micros the reaper for you and stuff like that

Living Flower​”everything must be political correct and fit the neo-liberal standards where weird fetish will be added as “normal” things”

Did you see what I just saw? This is the bot again!!!

Tim Reutemann​ and dota2 was single player

yeungx​ai did not beat dota 2

yeungx​it was a single lane game

yeungx​all it means is it can last hit and deny better, which is easy for a computer.

JollyCooperation95​ strategically, they are, starcraft 2 isnt exactly a game of algorithm like all of those are

midorihibiki ​what if AI can communication each other and make a team. Facebook deleted AIs that can communicate right? They’re afraid of these kind of AIs

RiordCs Rio​ Scarlett is the female player esports ever

At this moment I realise that I was banned by youtube. This is when I copied the text and started reporting Living Flower for all kinds of comments for mobbing and hate speech.

yeungx​While I am very excited about AI advancements, I don’t think SC2 is a good place to test AI research.

dichotomy 42​AI solved much harder problems when it won poker

Living Flower​it mostly is a snowball right from the beginning

Living Flower doesn’t say much anymore, just makes bot-like comments. Put it made a point by throwing me out of the cave before morphing back. And my block attempts obviously failed.

Dario Koskovic​there was never a black pro in SC was there…?

timschloe​@Ex Animus Hi there — I’m back, the trolls got me blocked in the middle of our AI conversation… got them on ignore now

Had a good afternoon from here, the troll no longer talks. But I can’t help giving one more policy advise:

It’s time to develop elven bots that swarm through the chatrooms of the web and alert us whenever a troll shows his head!

And: Twitch is better than youtube for watching sports, because when watching there it said:

This room requires a verified email address to chat. Please verify your email at http://www.twitch.tv/settings

no anonymous trolling here.

And if you made it all the way down here, you might be interested in this one, too: https://medium.com/@joeboughner/on-sports-and-gender-and-fandom-and-fighting-idiocy-9373484abfc5